Loaded Commerce Community

Here is the update: please read this first.

http://creloaded.org/community-news/40- ... e-way.html

ETA on release. When it passes the Beta team and QA. We are HOPING for late April.

Maybe tomorrow I will publish a release date for it.

Don't you have any more details on when cresecure will be able to accept Worldpay payments and the new cost structure ?

Since I updated to 6.41 I've had to have Worldpay disabled but my orders have sunk relying paypal. I acully think here in he UK some people tend to not want to use it as I've always had far more orders with Worldpay.

I either need to pay someone to get the worldpay plugin working or wait for Cresecure and hope it's affordable for me.

So since php 6.2 is end of life and no more support is given will creloaded support the current php 6.3 ?

Huh? You mean php 5.2? Think it'd take a while before hosting companies and developers round the place abandon php 5.2, given that some still run php 4.x. Don't panic before it happens eh.

Simon

sorry ment 5.3 my server is already on 5.3.6 running older software thats not being patched anymore is kinda having pants unzipped. I am not going to get bit.

How are we doing? It there an ETA on the release?

I sent in a support ticket asking when the expected release would be because I'm in the process of moving hosts. The reply ?

"We will announce when the new version is available, currently it is in beta testing"

I take from that they are having problems.

kickoff3pm i would say you would be best to jump ship like me.

I got tired of waiting. Patches should be way more often. Remember this is a payed solution. Not like oscommerce which is free so you can't demand support. This new update that everyone is waiting on should have been out 2-3 months after 6.4.1 came out 1.5 years ago...

This software is now at the time where its starting to get pretty outdated. Does not run on php 5.3, is not xtml compatable. Does not support caching.

Take a look at my new site and tell me what you think? And the software was free.

www.devilsowninjection.com

You are right on a lot of thing there chap but I don't think Presta is the answer for us UK people. Promises a lot but when I tested it I could see many issues in the future supporting that.

I've tested many carts I currently only use creloaded and CS-Cart. The first I can have a site setup in 30 mins, the second I can configure to do almost anything but even basic setup takes month.

Truth is that is not one size fits all, the are a lot of open source carts around but you have find one that suits your needs and not all that are free are cheaper I've found.

Best of luck, site look nice.

Fully agree that patches from Cre are way too slow, as well as keeping up with the times.
However don't agree that 6.4.x carts break in php 5.3, nor does running in xhtml / strict necessarily mean anything re seo or site runs better (plenty of stores out there doing well on transitional doctypes.) Caching is not just a software thing, but reflects the server configuration too.

Your site looks very impressive. Prestashop has come a long way.

Simon

Its free software that gets patched pretty often. I like knowing bugs are being resolved.

I belive at the time i payed 400ish for creloaded. and its had 1 "ONE" patch in like 2 years. Look how long its taken this next patch to roll out. its been really soon to release for what 7 months now...
Kinda like there is only 1 part time coder. I thought they had all this investment money.

I just feel like my hands are tied. Its my business it keeps a roof over my head. I have had issues with cre for years that stilll unresolved. Host of math issues that most people never notice that costing store owners money. Reports that make you look like your making more till i dug in the math. Some of the reports are way off.

Look how dead this forum is now. It usta have 200 or so post a day. Now its 10post.

try rebuilding apache for php 5.3 and you will see its not very useable i got plenty of errors all over the screen when having errors on.

Well i have abandoned CRE one year ago. This is dead system and will stay dead for a long period of time. There are plenty of free up-to-date and with more features systems, then CRE, see like PrestaShop it is amazing product and it's free, i'm glad i switched to it.

I have struggled so much with CRE that i get sick of it. And yeah update is 1 time in 10 years.. i honestly don't see anyone build any website on CRE, they should deleted it, or leave it free for some old still working shops not migrated but any serious shop is long gone from CRE.

I have build with CRE first in 2007 and i still use two shops on CRE but i will tell you that i hire PHP programmer and he made for two months work that CRE did not make for 4 years.

Prestashop on the other hand, still has some issues but they advance so fast that is sometime hard to keep up. They released 4 major versions in just 6 months and add features and modules every release. Also community is very active and supportive. And i think that without community, no CMS has a chance and CRE community was killed long time ago.

I really liked the simplicity of oscommerce and CRE which is OSC with all the good free modules from OSC and some custom coding but still both CRE and OSC are pretty dead unfortunately. Take my advice as i have a lot of working shops, even for free don't build on CRE.

So if it is so much better then tell us why.... not just the "it gets updated sooner" stance because I could refute that with "maybe CRE has already reached where prestashop is trying to get".

A feature list and support are needed - like with CRE at least I have a seo module built for it and oscommerce that has boosted some of my key words to the first page of google. I have another module that allows me to send a feed to different places, along with google. Also my payment gateways are supported and lastly we pass PCI scans using CRE.

If you can tell me the prestashop has all that now, then it might be something to look at...

Mike

Well okey i will list some that PrestaShop has and keep in mind that presta is FREE!

1. Seo url's for categories and products and cms.
2. Auto image thumb generation for every image so you need only 1 image size per product not 3 like in cre.
3. Cache system that actually works and alot of performance options.
4. A lot more payment gateways.
5. Multy user groups and multy admin groups and access - CRE has this but in payed system.
6. Really good template system with theme installer and such, and they have like 800 themes and many good ones are free too.
7. Really good module system with more then 700 modules also many are free.
8. PDF invoice export
9. CSV import system which is very well build and works very good.
10. Language is very easy to translate with build in translator and button to auto translate with google translator.
11. Sub-domains option so you can spread your images on sub-domains - this is recommended from google page speed.
12. Ajax shopping cart.
13. Offer Gift-warping and recycled package.
14. Stock management.
15. Custom category and product sort - some of this is also in CRe but in payed version.
16. Downloadable and digital goods.
16. Suppliers
17. Tags
18. Image mapping.
19. Attachments and user able to attach - upload files.
20. Attribute groups.
21. You can see all customers shopping carts and recover abandoned ones.
22. Currency's and payment options may be different by country/
23. A lot more promotion tools.
24. Tax Rules.
25. RSS feed.
26. European VAT support.
27. Ebay integration.
28. Migration tools - like import from oscommerce tool.
29. Adsense.
30. XML/SWF Charts and stats.
31. Watermark image protection.
32. Loyalty system (points)
33. Products and accessories packs
34. Returns management
35. Payment means filtering per currency, country or customers’ groups
36. Moneybookers (pre-configured) with fee discount cause they are partners
37. Google Checkout module
38. Exchange rates synchronization
39. Languages packs import-export from the Back-Office
40. Google Sitemap
41. PCI DSS compliant
42. Customizable Back-Office
43. SMS alerts (inventory, new order…)

and list goes on and on, i can't list every feature that they got and CRE don't. And i can tell you also that most of the features that CRE got, don't work very well and are messy most of the times and in Presta they are really though and work like they should.

The very active community and the free support and fast bug resolving are also big pluses here.

Modules and themes are checked by PrestaShop team to validate them before post it on their store, so you can be sure that all modules and themes actually works and if something is wrong you will get your money back

I don't want to offend CRE team or something but if we compare side by side, even payed 300$ CRE next to the free Presta, Presta wins so much more.
Presta its a bit more complicated in the beginning but once you get the logic it is very good and stable system and it is defenetly worth it.

Out of the box Prestashop has 90/100 pts form google speed and CRE has 10/100

If you are starter with e-shops with CRE you will pay 300$ for the system, another 140$ for theme and this is 440$ just to get some decent shop online. With presta you will make this with theme for only arround 100$. Not to mention that you will need to get php programer to fix so many issues with CRE and to modernize it to some acceptable degree.

So Presta is cheaper, faster, modern with more features and more reliable then CRE. And i'm not some Presta advertiser, they are also other great CMS that are currently all better then CRE, like Open cart.

It is definitely worth looking at, and the longer Cre continues the 'summer holiday' period (no update since December 2009, broken forge for trackers), the more likely the diminishing number of Cre users will fall further, regardless of a $1 sale on serials.

There are a number of features included in the basic Prestashop install that should be part of any modern cart, - eg security features involving automated htaccess, security tokens; built in points and rewards module; country specifications re modules ... etc.

However it isn't without it's problems (eg 'search' in version 1.4.3 seems to basically be broken, and a check on the PS forum indicates this is an issue for several users.) And some of the interfaces seem a little 'big on flash and light on substance' - ie the store uses a lot of ajax, which is very nice but can have it's problems.

The thing that is a central tenant of oscommerce-based carts is the ease at which you can customise and write / install contributions from a community. Although there is a rapidly growing community at PS, I think this'll be dominated largely by commercial vendors looking to sell their modules (as per the way Magento went.)

And this is where the 'free' side of Presta runs out. PS has always charged for extensions and to setup an equivalent store of features as per a CE version Cre cart would I think set you back more than $0 of the CE version. Also, it's very 'euro-centric', which is fine if you're in Europe and like the idea of several old european languages in the admin, from countries where english is now widely spoken. (Obviously a french product.)

So this thread (until Sal returns from holiday break or whoever is running Cre now) has been well hijacked - but hardly surprising though eh, given the OP date of March 31st and it's now nearly August.

Simon